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Aug 2, 2017 9:51 PM
#1401
Gwendolly said: I guess neither of us can go to sleep...Shinichi pls, don't grind my gears. Just reread the interactions between lucian and LW. Lucian fighting back, LW starting the vote with Suzaku and lucian backing it up. Because the other way around it would have been suspicious. And much more! We both know lynching Suzaku right now is a bad idea. Don't make me add you to my scum list |
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Aug 2, 2017 9:56 PM
#1402
Gwendolly said: Shinichi pls, don't grind my gears. Just reread the interactions between lucian and LW. Lucian fighting back, LW starting the vote with Suzaku and lucian backing it up. Because the other way around it would have been suspicious. And much more! We both know lynching Suzaku right now is a bad idea. Don't make me add you to my scum list What interaction are you refering to? I mean my vote is on Lucian for a reason just saying. Why is lynching suaku a bad idea, you say it will give no information yet it a flip is information. |
Aug 2, 2017 10:04 PM
#1403
RE1031 said: Gwendolly said: I know right. There's no way that @RE1031 could have already been thru with everything at that time when she posted. Which makes me think she got a summary or a quick up-date of the current scenario from her buddies? That or she has a photographic memory. I'm just going to say that this post annoys me beyond belief. Don't accuse people of stuff like that, don't even read into it. But I'll enlighten you. It's so much easier for scum to play catch up for the next two or so day phases than to immediately start accusing people. They can be lazy and get a free pass for it. Now please tell me your scumlean on me is not solely resting on something as baseless as how fast someone can catch up. Did you have any thoughts on the player I replaced? I don't recall reading any, remind me. Hey if you guys can be nitpicky then so will I. I know you even gave us three different timezones to leave room for intepretation. But you were already caught up so fast; I couldnt believe it. I'm too tired to connect those two things together right now. But prove me wrong today then! |
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Aug 2, 2017 10:06 PM
#1404
Shinichi-Kun said: Gwendolly said: Shinichi pls, don't grind my gears. Just reread the interactions between lucian and LW. Lucian fighting back, LW starting the vote with Suzaku and lucian backing it up. Because the other way around it would have been suspicious. And much more! We both know lynching Suzaku right now is a bad idea. Don't make me add you to my scum list What interaction are you refering to? I mean my vote is on Lucian for a reason just saying. Why is lynching suaku a bad idea, you say it will give no information yet it a flip is information. Read D1 and come to your own conclusion, going to bed for realz now. |
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Aug 2, 2017 10:14 PM
#1405
Shinichi-Kun said: RE1031 said: Some small (and messy) notes: town: RE - who was willing to lynch my slot? SuzTsu, forgot who else Suzunne - mason??? (aren’t there two usually?) ironace - you scum are savages Red_Salmon - wifom, but I feel Zymf’s #802 is significant. #802 clears Red_Salmon. Zymf can no longer go after him. RS is useless to Zymf. town lean: last - idk what was with the scum leans on him. #622 is amazing. this guy. so town. Shinichi - guts townie but not gonna clear: LucianRoy Gwendolly way too neutral: togs/SuzTsu - is it just me or are all your posts about the vote count aaaaaaaa pyro abu - abu scum lean: sleipnirr - where are the “imma get mislynched again” posts? wen - abu is like the easiest person to go after. and that’s all i remember from you. oh, that and sheep vote on ironace. (also, I see you as an S. but you’re acting like an M this game) zymf - reads are mad off >Felt like I read 20 pages on what is “nai”. >I see Red_Salmon is still being mistaken as a “she” - that is too funny. Wanna go into more detail about why u have that town lean on wisp, also explain your opinion more on lucian/gwenny. Sorry I missed this, cause I do want to elaborate since a few tiny things have changed. I never want to clear LucianRoy. He's the kind of player who can get away with blatantly defending scum. The only time I'll lynch him is when it comes between him and someone I more strongly townread. That said, he's technically in the town lean pile. The read on Gwenny stemmed more from the role they played in the game and not from their behavior. By role I mean who tends to be the lynchers, sheepers, and lynched. They came off as more independent; unaligned. At least from what I remember. Also purely based on who I was suspecting at the time, they would be on bottom end of my lynch list - so townie by default. |
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Aug 2, 2017 10:16 PM
#1406
Gwendolly said: RE1031 said: Gwendolly said: I know right. There's no way that @RE1031 could have already been thru with everything at that time when she posted. Which makes me think she got a summary or a quick up-date of the current scenario from her buddies? That or she has a photographic memory. I'm just going to say that this post annoys me beyond belief. Don't accuse people of stuff like that, don't even read into it. But I'll enlighten you. It's so much easier for scum to play catch up for the next two or so day phases than to immediately start accusing people. They can be lazy and get a free pass for it. Now please tell me your scumlean on me is not solely resting on something as baseless as how fast someone can catch up. Did you have any thoughts on the player I replaced? I don't recall reading any, remind me. Hey if you guys can be nitpicky then so will I. I know you even gave us three different timezones to leave room for intepretation. But you were already caught up so fast; I couldnt believe it. I'm too tired to connect those two things together right now. But prove me wrong today then! Okey dokey! For the record, I think it took me close to four hours of catching up. |
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Aug 2, 2017 10:21 PM
#1407
RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: RE1031 said: Some small (and messy) notes: town: RE - who was willing to lynch my slot? SuzTsu, forgot who else Suzunne - mason??? (aren’t there two usually?) ironace - you scum are savages Red_Salmon - wifom, but I feel Zymf’s #802 is significant. #802 clears Red_Salmon. Zymf can no longer go after him. RS is useless to Zymf. town lean: last - idk what was with the scum leans on him. #622 is amazing. this guy. so town. Shinichi - guts townie but not gonna clear: LucianRoy Gwendolly way too neutral: togs/SuzTsu - is it just me or are all your posts about the vote count aaaaaaaa pyro abu - abu scum lean: sleipnirr - where are the “imma get mislynched again” posts? wen - abu is like the easiest person to go after. and that’s all i remember from you. oh, that and sheep vote on ironace. (also, I see you as an S. but you’re acting like an M this game) zymf - reads are mad off >Felt like I read 20 pages on what is “nai”. >I see Red_Salmon is still being mistaken as a “she” - that is too funny. Wanna go into more detail about why u have that town lean on wisp, also explain your opinion more on lucian/gwenny. Sorry I missed this, cause I do want to elaborate since a few tiny things have changed. I never want to clear LucianRoy. He's the kind of player who can get away with blatantly defending scum. The only time I'll lynch him is when it comes between him and someone I more strongly townread. That said, he's technically in the town lean pile. The read on Gwenny stemmed more from the role they played in the game and not from their behavior. By role I mean who tends to be the lynchers, sheepers, and lynched. They came off as more independent; unaligned. At least from what I remember. Also purely based on who I was suspecting at the time, they would be on bottom end of my lynch list - so townie by default. Totally forgot to explain lastwhisper. It's not great reasoning, but because I was scumbuddies with him in the recent game, I really do feel his town and scum game are distinguishable. Also, significantly less fluff this game. |
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Aug 2, 2017 10:25 PM
#1408
Shinichi-Kun said: RE1031 said: I think it's really worth discussing ironace's train. From what I backread, the votes on him weren't amazing. A lock vote from Gwen (#884), a sheep vote from Zymf (#802), another sheep vote from wen (#842), ??? vote from Shinichi (#791), another ??? from last (#796), a sheep vote from Abu (#745), a pressure (?) vote from aa (#667), and then probably the most legit vote on the list from LucianRoy (#613). I think less than half the train actually believed ironace to be scum. And several of you played with ironace before, I don't know what made you think that he was any scummier than before. There has got to be at least one scum on this train. Did u read that 1 post where he refered to someone as a sacrifice? Because at the time that post was really telling. Yes I did. And maybe I'm biased because I know his alignment now, but that wasn't a slip. That was someone understanding the benefit of a lynch over no lynch. (also, my replies are totally out of order because I have a bad habit of reading out of order) |
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Aug 3, 2017 12:03 AM
#1409
AbuHumaid said: Vote: SuzakuTsubasa She wants to lynch me because I'm inactive yet she isn't active herself? I smell BS in the air Also @wen294 where are you? Care to explain your baseless vote? You were calling me out for inactivity and now you're gone the whole phase? Isn't that contradiction? If I recall correctly, that is the same exact reason you gave for voting Melanoid in Easter Egg Mafia and you flipped scum. (Or was it the other way around? I don't remember...) Either way, I am not against your lynch today. I just would rather lynch Zymf, since I am more confident in him being scum. I can name two major contradictions off the top of my head. First, townreading ironace and then voting him. Then, #1299 where you give LucianRoy as an example of a night kill yet you are scum reading him. How does that work. I will be half awake before phase change. But I really hope people will be less reluctant to vote Zymf. |
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Aug 3, 2017 2:56 AM
#1410
LucianRoy said: I was originally going to wait to post this until after Abu had responded to my questions, but there are <12 hours in the phase. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Have you ever seen a towngame by Abu? Before my last game I hadn't played mafia in around 9 months, I may have played with him but it's too far in my memory. Do you feel confident in your scumread on him? Enough to say I want to lynch him. Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced, and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. The answer was rhetorical. Suzaku has responded poorly to pressure imo, and is not taking a definite stance on Abu. SuzakuTsubasa said: Immediately chalks it up to a playstyle clash, and refuses to elaborate. Asks irrelevant questions, the defensive tone is not off to a good start.LucianRoy said: Cool, Ok. Vote: Suzaku Tsubasa You have no reads because you are scum. Prove me wrong. I won't. Most of the times my suspicion comes from guts or when something ticks me off. I've never been skilled at reading people. But that reasoning lol, you could jump on half the player base with that. And did you really not know how much time was left before phase change? And lynching yourself because town need a lynch? More than a lynch, town need a scum lynch. Suicide shouldn't be an option. FTR, let's get this straight, if you're voting somebody, you have a read on them. SuzakuTsubasa said: No conviction in their read on Abu. Relying purely off of meta it appears.LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Irrelevant suspicion of me, more defensiveness that was irrelevant to my original question. Tries to paint Abu as scum in my eyes, unconvincing reasoning. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. What were her reasons? Nothing in our back-and-forth struck me as solid reasoning for voting Abu. I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of people pushing reads they don't actually believe in here, meta for the meta, and this really doesn't sound like convincing reasoning to be voting Abu rn. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. And this is where they get defensive towards me rather than defending their read on Abu. Tries a bit of a warp to convince me in voting Abu, but I am thoroughly unconvinced so far that their reasoning holds any merit whatsoever. In essence, like I mentioned earlier, I don't like their response to my line of questioning, and it is most likely because they're scum picking up on the low-hanging fruit that is the Abu train, and trying to squeeze by on it. I also originally asked for their "reads". They have not shown intent or indication on reading any other players in our short convo. Feels like they try to obfuscate my questions a bit in their responses, which I really just read as scummy bull. And this is why I'm voting them. Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. lastwhisper31 said: Gwendolly said: Jesus you guys are confusing? Do you want me to claim or not? I'm not afraid of a counter claim because their wont be one, just let me do my thing, I need to figure something out...lastwhisper31 said: wen294 said: Gwendolly said: He's either scum or town so a 50% chance.lastwhisper31 said: Lets move this a long: vote: Suzaku You seem to be always avoiding the big trains, first aa-dono now Suzaku (back then) Why is there a 50% chance for Suzaku being scum? I love using this logic because it's practicaly always wrong Ok, that 50% has nothing to do with the usual flipping scum or town, if I do the full math, and if I remember how to math, then the chance of her being scum is 17%, if there are 4 scum, and if there are 3 scum, its drops down to 12.5%. Pretty abysmal percentages but its better then nothing. Uuhhm.... lastwhisper31 said: Lastly, with my knowledge theres a 50% of a scum flip on her, and I want to get more trains going and get people talking. Edit: Clarification Don't you think mafia will try to kill you if they think you can be a threat? Shinichi-Kun said: lastwhisper31 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Oddly enough no, but this could be a case of Town Mason and Scum Mason? Thats a thing if i recall. ya, no, get out here with that bs Seriously tho its something to consider, unless there is 3 masons no reason notclaim if ur a solo mason lol. Wouldn't this be considered a bastard element though? Sign up thread said "This game is considered basic and has no bastard elements." |
Aug 3, 2017 3:07 AM
#1411
lastwhisper31 said: He made a spelling mistake, he means TubaCabra.Shinichi-Kun said: I am so lost, who is tubracaba???Can people explain the Tubracabra votes more? |
Aug 3, 2017 3:18 AM
#1412
lastwhisper31 said: Kinda feels like she said something and then couldn't wait to crawl back on her statement and just took lucian's first post as an excuse to drop charges.wen294 said: Gwendolly said: wen294 said: Gwendolly said: ??@lucianroy lucianroy said: For what reasoning are you voting me? Gwendolly said: Lucian has definitely alot to explain now. What did you have in mind? ^For this reason. Since we know ironace and salmon are town now and that you intended to lynch both of them. You were admitting your mistakes but it was more like a "oh well, shit happens." Not too sure if I'm buying that. But salmons death would make more sense to me if they were willing to spite you for that and I like your current proceeding right now. So yea... You're making more sense than Shinichi right now tho. Your single post has satisfied me already lol if you're scum I'll take off my hat for you unvote I don't get your thought process here. Not sure what lucian said in the post you quoted that could've possibly changed your mind. How it looks to me: "Lucian has explaining to do" "Like what?" "yeah nevermind" Makes no sense. I said it would look bad on lucian because he was about to lynch 1 townie and did lynch one the other day. So I was waiting for an explanation. The way he handled that situation was genuine in my eyes, may it be because he's scum and doesnt care or town but wants to stay on track. Town can be mistaken too. If you lynch the leader solely for leading a lynch train on town then you'd probably hit town more often than scum. It's not weird for him to ask what you're voting him for specifically. After all 'you made a mistake so you must be scum' is some pretty fcked up logic. And it's also not something he can defend against. It happened, that's that. I feel like Gwen's reasonings have been lacking, if you know what I mean? Like her early posts seemed so confident, but it feels like shes rushing responses now. Also watching her and denja go off is funny. Which leads me to wonder why she even said it in the first place. She either said it with no conviction or she said it because she thought she needed to say it because she hadn't voiced suspicion on lucian anywhere yet? Gwen + Lucian scumteam possible? |
Aug 3, 2017 3:20 AM
#1413
No Updates Available..... --------------- Vote Count 3.12 on display LucianRoy (3): Shinichi-kun, Gwendolly, Zymf AbuHumaid (4): wen294, SuzakuTsubasa, aa-dono, The_Pyromaani SuzakuTsubasa (3): lastwhisper31, LucianRoy, AbuHumaid Zymf (1): RE1031 The_Pyromaani (1): DenjaX Not voting (0): Notes: with 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch today. Time until end of D3 |
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Aug 3, 2017 3:24 AM
#1414
lastwhisper31 said: funny, I wouldnt usually bat an eye at hypotheticals like this, but I watched a lady today, almost bleed out, because she gashed her ankle with a 2L bottle of coke. Dont ask, weird story, lots and lots of blood. |
Aug 3, 2017 3:29 AM
#1415
Gwendolly said: You are crazy.lastwhisper31 said: Gwendolly said: lastwhisper31 said: @zymf My theory is that mafia killed Red_Salmon more because he was a growing threat rather than to cause chaos. Red_Salmon had already been under very high pressure D1, before everyone switched their votes to ironace. So it was actually unlikely that he would get lynched in the near future or gain the same amount of attention, since that would be going in circles. I also noticed that Red_Salmon had been getting more and more agressive in the second half of D1 and his reads were getting clearer. So I think that the mafia decided to kill him off before he became a real threat D2 and could reveal his findings. While someone like Lucian would be a much more risky target (for different reasons such as Doc protection), Red_Salmon was still a relatively safe kill. --- Lets just throw this hypothetical into the garbage for one second, and remember that this is also just another WIFOM post. We would need harder evidence to come to any conclusion. The fact of the matter is she is dead, and we don't really know why? Maybe she did have scum on her list, but then maybe she didnt, or maybe scum killed her to make everyone think scum was on her list, or maybe scum killed her because they were on her list, or maybe scum killed her because they assumed some kind of disarray would come from it, or maybe they killed her because they just did? I feel like your focusing on this to much, just like Ironace did with his hypothetical, and in the end we found out his hypothetical was wrong, so give me a reason why I should believe yours? How the- ..? Did you write this? Edit: If this is serious question, then the bold was Zymf, and my post was the Italics. Sounds like it could come easily from lucian. I mean that's like exactly what lucian would say >.< Like your tone totally changed. That's not the whisper I know from the past few days! I thought you would never know when to use that term "WIFOM", well atleast not literally 2 days later. I swear both you and lucian are scum. I'm going up to 99% the other 1% are the "shit happens" right? I would vote for you, but since lucian has more votes, I'll stay on him. It doesnt really matter who goes down first eh. Lynch me afterwards if one of you are town. There, I can be suicidal too! Town please look at this and tell me I'm not crazy. I mean the whole pocketing me would make sense. Or am I just that strong of a townie? @everyone!!!!!!!!....oh yea forgot this isnt discord.... @aa-dono @RE1031 @SuzakuTsubasa @AbuHumaid @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Shinichi-Kun @Zymf @DenjaX P.S No offense bruh (I know you're a lit person irl). But I'm going all out now. Let's play OW with your brother after this xD People can use a term once they know what it means and how it's used. The term WIFOM has been used enough this game for him to know how to use the term. Also i sincerely don't believe lucian would hand last that entire text over and say "copy paste this in the thread will ya?" Give the man some credit. |
Aug 3, 2017 3:34 AM
#1416
Shinichi-Kun said: No reason to claim without pressure.lastwhisper31 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Oddly enough no, but this could be a case of Town Mason and Scum Mason? Thats a thing if i recall. ya, no, get out here with that bs Seriously tho its something to consider, unless there is 3 masons no reason notclaim if ur a solo mason lol. Irregardless of the number of masons, it's one of the few things that is a valid claim AND can be counterclaimed/confirmed by other masons. Why waste it by claiming for no clear reason. I think it's scummy that you try to get the mason(s?) to claim. |
Aug 3, 2017 3:37 AM
#1417
Shinichi-Kun said: We're dead for him ;w;lastwhisper31 said: Gwendolly said: Besides @lastwhisper31 you never did get back to me when I asked you for a list or when I asked you why you don't suspect me and lucian. (Im on my phone xD) Had to get this off before sleeping! Because there's a part of me hoping we are all on the same side. 50/50 List:
There is a special place in my heart for you and Lucian, but I feel like for the sake of this game, one of the 3 of us has to go or this game won't move on. What happened to the rest of the players? He doesn't want to look at us anymore ;w; |
Aug 3, 2017 3:38 AM
#1418
Gwendolly said: So because he doesn't share your view you threaten to scumread him? Shinichi pls, don't grind my gears. Just reread the interactions between lucian and LW. Lucian fighting back, LW starting the vote with Suzaku and lucian backing it up. Because the other way around it would have been suspicious. And much more! We both know lynching Suzaku right now is a bad idea. Don't make me add you to my scum list Disgusting. |
Aug 3, 2017 3:50 AM
#1419
Gwendolly said: Horrible statement V2.RE1031 said: Gwendolly said: I know right. There's no way that @RE1031 could have already been thru with everything at that time when she posted. Which makes me think she got a summary or a quick up-date of the current scenario from her buddies? That or she has a photographic memory. I'm just going to say that this post annoys me beyond belief. Don't accuse people of stuff like that, don't even read into it. But I'll enlighten you. It's so much easier for scum to play catch up for the next two or so day phases than to immediately start accusing people. They can be lazy and get a free pass for it. Now please tell me your scumlean on me is not solely resting on something as baseless as how fast someone can catch up. Did you have any thoughts on the player I replaced? I don't recall reading any, remind me. Hey if you guys can be nitpicky then so will I. I know you even gave us three different timezones to leave room for intepretation. But you were already caught up so fast; I couldnt believe it. I'm too tired to connect those two things together right now. But prove me wrong today then! Demanding the defendant to provide proof of their innocence is only used when you're already assuming the defendant is scum, which in general is never and should never be used (some rare exeptions excluded). You gave no real indication that you thought he was scum before this stupid reasoning. And in general just because you can't say it's not true doesn't make it the truth. That's common knowledge. Aside from the fact that we all catch up at different speeds and methods, and that he might have started backreading before he was actually swapped in. Or like he himself said already that scum has a free excuse of not having a big presence which they usually gladly take. Etc. |
Aug 3, 2017 3:55 AM
#1420
SuzakuTsubasa said: Heeeey no discrediterino!LucianRoy said: I was originally going to wait to post this until after Abu had responded to my questions, but there are <12 hours in the phase. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Have you ever seen a towngame by Abu? Before my last game I hadn't played mafia in around 9 months, I may have played with him but it's too far in my memory. Do you feel confident in your scumread on him? Enough to say I want to lynch him. Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced, and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. The answer was rhetorical. Suzaku has responded poorly to pressure imo, and is not taking a definite stance on Abu. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: Cool, Ok. Vote: Suzaku Tsubasa You have no reads because you are scum. Prove me wrong. I won't. Most of the times my suspicion comes from guts or when something ticks me off. I've never been skilled at reading people. But that reasoning lol, you could jump on half the player base with that. And did you really not know how much time was left before phase change? And lynching yourself because town need a lynch? More than a lynch, town need a scum lynch. Suicide shouldn't be an option. FTR, let's get this straight, if you're voting somebody, you have a read on them. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Irrelevant suspicion of me, more defensiveness that was irrelevant to my original question. Tries to paint Abu as scum in my eyes, unconvincing reasoning. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. What were her reasons? Nothing in our back-and-forth struck me as solid reasoning for voting Abu. I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of people pushing reads they don't actually believe in here, meta for the meta, and this really doesn't sound like convincing reasoning to be voting Abu rn. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. And this is where they get defensive towards me rather than defending their read on Abu. Tries a bit of a warp to convince me in voting Abu, but I am thoroughly unconvinced so far that their reasoning holds any merit whatsoever. In essence, like I mentioned earlier, I don't like their response to my line of questioning, and it is most likely because they're scum picking up on the low-hanging fruit that is the Abu train, and trying to squeeze by on it. I also originally asked for their "reads". They have not shown intent or indication on reading any other players in our short convo. Feels like they try to obfuscate my questions a bit in their responses, which I really just read as scummy bull. And this is why I'm voting them. Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. I gave multiple reasons for my vote based on abu's posts, but i never listed them all amongst each other in the same posts. It mostly came from single replies to one of his posts here and there so it's spread all over the place. (and don't ask me to collect them, too lazy for that.) Allthough him annoying me does play a part. The salmon's last post part is null. I don't have that as a reason for scumreading abu. As i already said i noted it because it caught my eye, not because i intended to use it as evidence. |
Aug 3, 2017 4:42 AM
#1421
Shinichi-Kun said: Why are you always doing wild theories here? IIoA is a scumread and you seem to be pulling these to distract town and attempts to influence the view on the other Mason. This game is basic with no bastard element. A town and scum mason would be bastard since the scum mason can murder town mason so the scum can have role claim clearance. Also, it is setting up for the real Mason to claim to debunk your theory.Seriously tho its something to consider, unless there is 3 masons no reason notclaim if ur a solo mason lol. |
Aug 3, 2017 4:47 AM
#1422
I really wish to get lynched right now to prove my alignment and I will give a list of people to lynch next to go down with me. My previous Mafia game experiences are my assets to prove that I can actually fish scum. I have no time to catch up this phase so all I can offer is my past scum hunting skills. Otherwise, I might end up sheeping today to lynch since my target wont get lynched anytime soon. |
Aug 3, 2017 4:52 AM
#1423
wen294 said: SuzakuTsubasa said: Heeeey no discrediterino!LucianRoy said: I was originally going to wait to post this until after Abu had responded to my questions, but there are <12 hours in the phase. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Have you ever seen a towngame by Abu? Before my last game I hadn't played mafia in around 9 months, I may have played with him but it's too far in my memory. Do you feel confident in your scumread on him? Enough to say I want to lynch him. Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced, and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. The answer was rhetorical. Suzaku has responded poorly to pressure imo, and is not taking a definite stance on Abu. SuzakuTsubasa said: Immediately chalks it up to a playstyle clash, and refuses to elaborate. Asks irrelevant questions, the defensive tone is not off to a good start.LucianRoy said: Cool, Ok. Vote: Suzaku Tsubasa You have no reads because you are scum. Prove me wrong. I won't. Most of the times my suspicion comes from guts or when something ticks me off. I've never been skilled at reading people. But that reasoning lol, you could jump on half the player base with that. And did you really not know how much time was left before phase change? And lynching yourself because town need a lynch? More than a lynch, town need a scum lynch. Suicide shouldn't be an option. FTR, let's get this straight, if you're voting somebody, you have a read on them. SuzakuTsubasa said: No conviction in their read on Abu. Relying purely off of meta it appears.LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Irrelevant suspicion of me, more defensiveness that was irrelevant to my original question. Tries to paint Abu as scum in my eyes, unconvincing reasoning. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. What were her reasons? Nothing in our back-and-forth struck me as solid reasoning for voting Abu. I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of people pushing reads they don't actually believe in here, meta for the meta, and this really doesn't sound like convincing reasoning to be voting Abu rn. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. And this is where they get defensive towards me rather than defending their read on Abu. Tries a bit of a warp to convince me in voting Abu, but I am thoroughly unconvinced so far that their reasoning holds any merit whatsoever. In essence, like I mentioned earlier, I don't like their response to my line of questioning, and it is most likely because they're scum picking up on the low-hanging fruit that is the Abu train, and trying to squeeze by on it. I also originally asked for their "reads". They have not shown intent or indication on reading any other players in our short convo. Feels like they try to obfuscate my questions a bit in their responses, which I really just read as scummy bull. And this is why I'm voting them. Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. I gave multiple reasons for my vote based on abu's posts, but i never listed them all amongst each other in the same posts. It mostly came from single replies to one of his posts here and there so it's spread all over the place. (and don't ask me to collect them, too lazy for that.) Allthough him annoying me does play a part. The salmon's last post part is null. I don't have that as a reason for scumreading abu. As i already said i noted it because it caught my eye, not because i intended to use it as evidence. Right sorry, it was meant more like a way to say his reasoning could be used on anyone on the train. I realized a bit later that I might have been negative about your vote. From what you posted, I remember this which is all the reasons he is being voted now, and while looking for it I also found this post. I'm not fond of backreading either, but from what I remember it was mostly this kind of posts you wrote about him. About how he doesn't seem to be paying attention, or how he states something obvious even though he did nothing moments before. If I missed more reasoning from you then my bad, otherwise I think our votes aren't that different. |
Aug 3, 2017 4:53 AM
#1424
SuzakuTsubasa said: Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. If there's barely anything to read him from, how can you be sure that he's scum? The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. SuzakuTsubasa said: aa-dono said: Oh nvm. Suzaku replied just above my post. I don't really get what's so scummy about Abu except inactivity. More than just inactivity, he shows up just the minimum to not get replaced, doesn't add anything to the game, doesn't talk to anyone, an then just sheep a vote. Last game I played he did the same and flipped scum, that doesn't mean he's obviously scum, but I don't think we should forget him. The absence of evidence is not always indicative unfortunately, and is actually fallacious logic. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Aug 3, 2017 5:00 AM
#1425
wen294 said: Gwendolly said: So because he doesn't share your view you threaten to scumread him? Shinichi pls, don't grind my gears. Just reread the interactions between lucian and LW. Lucian fighting back, LW starting the vote with Suzaku and lucian backing it up. Because the other way around it would have been suspicious. And much more! We both know lynching Suzaku right now is a bad idea. Don't make me add you to my scum list Disgusting. Double standard, Shinichi basically did the same exact thing with Gwen not too long ago. --- DenjaX said: I really wish to get lynched right now to prove my alignment and I will give a list of people to lynch next to go down with me. My previous Mafia game experiences are my assets to prove that I can actually fish scum. I have no time to catch up this phase so all I can offer is my past scum hunting skills. Otherwise, I might end up sheeping today to lynch since my target wont get lynched anytime soon. You should sheep my vote because Suzaku will flip scum. --- SuzakuTsubasa said: wen294 said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: I was originally going to wait to post this until after Abu had responded to my questions, but there are <12 hours in the phase. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Have you ever seen a towngame by Abu? Before my last game I hadn't played mafia in around 9 months, I may have played with him but it's too far in my memory. Do you feel confident in your scumread on him? Enough to say I want to lynch him. Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced, and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. The answer was rhetorical. Suzaku has responded poorly to pressure imo, and is not taking a definite stance on Abu. SuzakuTsubasa said: Immediately chalks it up to a playstyle clash, and refuses to elaborate. Asks irrelevant questions, the defensive tone is not off to a good start.LucianRoy said: Cool, Ok. Vote: Suzaku Tsubasa You have no reads because you are scum. Prove me wrong. I won't. Most of the times my suspicion comes from guts or when something ticks me off. I've never been skilled at reading people. But that reasoning lol, you could jump on half the player base with that. And did you really not know how much time was left before phase change? And lynching yourself because town need a lynch? More than a lynch, town need a scum lynch. Suicide shouldn't be an option. FTR, let's get this straight, if you're voting somebody, you have a read on them. SuzakuTsubasa said: No conviction in their read on Abu. Relying purely off of meta it appears.LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Irrelevant suspicion of me, more defensiveness that was irrelevant to my original question. Tries to paint Abu as scum in my eyes, unconvincing reasoning. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. What were her reasons? Nothing in our back-and-forth struck me as solid reasoning for voting Abu. I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of people pushing reads they don't actually believe in here, meta for the meta, and this really doesn't sound like convincing reasoning to be voting Abu rn. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. And this is where they get defensive towards me rather than defending their read on Abu. Tries a bit of a warp to convince me in voting Abu, but I am thoroughly unconvinced so far that their reasoning holds any merit whatsoever. In essence, like I mentioned earlier, I don't like their response to my line of questioning, and it is most likely because they're scum picking up on the low-hanging fruit that is the Abu train, and trying to squeeze by on it. I also originally asked for their "reads". They have not shown intent or indication on reading any other players in our short convo. Feels like they try to obfuscate my questions a bit in their responses, which I really just read as scummy bull. And this is why I'm voting them. Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. I gave multiple reasons for my vote based on abu's posts, but i never listed them all amongst each other in the same posts. It mostly came from single replies to one of his posts here and there so it's spread all over the place. (and don't ask me to collect them, too lazy for that.) Allthough him annoying me does play a part. The salmon's last post part is null. I don't have that as a reason for scumreading abu. As i already said i noted it because it caught my eye, not because i intended to use it as evidence. Right sorry, it was meant more like a way to say his reasoning could be used on anyone on the train. I realized a bit later that I might have been negative about your vote. From what you posted, I remember this which is all the reasons he is being voted now, and while looking for it I also found this post. I'm not fond of backreading either, but from what I remember it was mostly this kind of posts you wrote about him. About how he doesn't seem to be paying attention, or how he states something obvious even though he did nothing moments before. If I missed more reasoning from you then my bad, otherwise I think our votes aren't that different. None of this explains why Abu is scummy. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Aug 3, 2017 5:01 AM
#1426
LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. If there's barely anything to read him from, how can you be sure that he's scum? The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. SuzakuTsubasa said: aa-dono said: Oh nvm. Suzaku replied just above my post. I don't really get what's so scummy about Abu except inactivity. More than just inactivity, he shows up just the minimum to not get replaced, doesn't add anything to the game, doesn't talk to anyone, an then just sheep a vote. Last game I played he did the same and flipped scum, that doesn't mean he's obviously scum, but I don't think we should forget him. The absence of evidence is not always indicative unfortunately, and is actually fallacious logic. Doesn't the way he follows everything you do seem suspicious even a bit? He joins your suicide vote then follows you back on me not even a minute after you did. He seemed to follow you without knowing why, you did it to get a lynch since you thought it was end of day, he followed while knowing it wasn't. It looks like he could follow you on anyone, but he wont tell you his town reads. Scum afraid to give names, in case he gets lynched and flips? That and a post that feels like omgus to me, that's all he did today. |
Aug 3, 2017 5:03 AM
#1427
Nope, I won't. Sorry. |
Aug 3, 2017 5:19 AM
#1428
SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. If there's barely anything to read him from, how can you be sure that he's scum? The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. SuzakuTsubasa said: aa-dono said: Oh nvm. Suzaku replied just above my post. I don't really get what's so scummy about Abu except inactivity. More than just inactivity, he shows up just the minimum to not get replaced, doesn't add anything to the game, doesn't talk to anyone, an then just sheep a vote. Last game I played he did the same and flipped scum, that doesn't mean he's obviously scum, but I don't think we should forget him. The absence of evidence is not always indicative unfortunately, and is actually fallacious logic. Doesn't the way he follows everything you do seem suspicious even a bit? He joins your suicide vote then follows you back on me not even a minute after you did. He seemed to follow you without knowing why, you did it to get a lynch since you thought it was end of day, he followed while knowing it wasn't. It looks like he could follow you on anyone, but he wont tell you his town reads. Scum afraid to give names, in case he gets lynched and flips? That and a post that feels like omgus to me, that's all he did today. Hmmmmmmmmmm... him following me struck me as a joke more than anything, as it was in the context of "this is so dramatic, it has me in tears." If only we could hear from Abu on his reads. That last post doesn't feel like Omgus at all to me and it only signifies you and him are crossvoting each other. Why do you think it's omgus? |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Aug 3, 2017 5:21 AM
#1429
*That last vote |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Aug 3, 2017 5:26 AM
#1430
SuzakuTsubasa said: wen294 said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: I was originally going to wait to post this until after Abu had responded to my questions, but there are <12 hours in the phase. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Have you ever seen a towngame by Abu? Before my last game I hadn't played mafia in around 9 months, I may have played with him but it's too far in my memory. Do you feel confident in your scumread on him? Enough to say I want to lynch him. Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced, and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. The answer was rhetorical. Suzaku has responded poorly to pressure imo, and is not taking a definite stance on Abu. SuzakuTsubasa said: Immediately chalks it up to a playstyle clash, and refuses to elaborate. Asks irrelevant questions, the defensive tone is not off to a good start.LucianRoy said: Cool, Ok. Vote: Suzaku Tsubasa You have no reads because you are scum. Prove me wrong. I won't. Most of the times my suspicion comes from guts or when something ticks me off. I've never been skilled at reading people. But that reasoning lol, you could jump on half the player base with that. And did you really not know how much time was left before phase change? And lynching yourself because town need a lynch? More than a lynch, town need a scum lynch. Suicide shouldn't be an option. FTR, let's get this straight, if you're voting somebody, you have a read on them. SuzakuTsubasa said: No conviction in their read on Abu. Relying purely off of meta it appears.LucianRoy said: And is Abu that scum lynch the town needs? He could be. I haven't played much with him, but he does remind me of when he was scum last time and it seems like wen thinks the same. I'm having some trouble how some players seem to not mind that he's not participating apart from sheeping. I'm also wondering how you can townread him from the few lines he posted. Look at how, when you go suicidal vote, he does the same, then when you realize how much time is left and go back to me, he follows again. I even think he would have voted wen had someone started to vote him. Irrelevant suspicion of me, more defensiveness that was irrelevant to my original question. Tries to paint Abu as scum in my eyes, unconvincing reasoning. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: Would you still lynch him if I said he "could" be town? He "could" be town implies that he "could" be scum. I would wait for your reasons, but I wouldn't forget mine. What were her reasons? Nothing in our back-and-forth struck me as solid reasoning for voting Abu. I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of people pushing reads they don't actually believe in here, meta for the meta, and this really doesn't sound like convincing reasoning to be voting Abu rn. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: And why should I vote Abu if he "could" be scum? Because lynching someone who "could" be scum is still better than lynching yourself? If you were okay with it while knowing your alignment, why not voting him? Apart from that, I said my reasons for voting him, you don't seem convinced and the same goes for others. We still have 23 hours to reach a consensus about the lynch. And this is where they get defensive towards me rather than defending their read on Abu. Tries a bit of a warp to convince me in voting Abu, but I am thoroughly unconvinced so far that their reasoning holds any merit whatsoever. In essence, like I mentioned earlier, I don't like their response to my line of questioning, and it is most likely because they're scum picking up on the low-hanging fruit that is the Abu train, and trying to squeeze by on it. I also originally asked for their "reads". They have not shown intent or indication on reading any other players in our short convo. Feels like they try to obfuscate my questions a bit in their responses, which I really just read as scummy bull. And this is why I'm voting them. Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. I gave multiple reasons for my vote based on abu's posts, but i never listed them all amongst each other in the same posts. It mostly came from single replies to one of his posts here and there so it's spread all over the place. (and don't ask me to collect them, too lazy for that.) Allthough him annoying me does play a part. The salmon's last post part is null. I don't have that as a reason for scumreading abu. As i already said i noted it because it caught my eye, not because i intended to use it as evidence. Right sorry, it was meant more like a way to say his reasoning could be used on anyone on the train. I realized a bit later that I might have been negative about your vote. From what you posted, I remember this which is all the reasons he is being voted now, and while looking for it I also found this post. I'm not fond of backreading either, but from what I remember it was mostly this kind of posts you wrote about him. About how he doesn't seem to be paying attention, or how he states something obvious even though he did nothing moments before. If I missed more reasoning from you then my bad, otherwise I think our votes aren't that different. wen294 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Only good when taken out of context.AbuHumaid said: @LucianRoy can you first tell me why are you townreading me? i feel like you're trying to get on my good side This prob the best post from abu in a while When you consider the fact that he's sheeping lucian the entire game and even tried to save lucian by voting himself (according to himself) this voice of distrust makes literally no sense at all and i honestly can't even take it seriously. This is one of the more recent reasons that i still remembered the place of. Then there's also the post about co-operation being needed for town and then proceeds to not co-operate. Overall rather hypocritical. Well there's more but i don't remember everything ._. |
Aug 3, 2017 5:27 AM
#1431
LucianRoy said: Then i must've missed that as i can't remember it at all.wen294 said: Gwendolly said: Shinichi pls, don't grind my gears. Just reread the interactions between lucian and LW. Lucian fighting back, LW starting the vote with Suzaku and lucian backing it up. Because the other way around it would have been suspicious. And much more! We both know lynching Suzaku right now is a bad idea. Don't make me add you to my scum list Disgusting. Double standard, Shinichi basically did the same exact thing with Gwen not too long ago. Do you remember what post that was in? |
Aug 3, 2017 5:35 AM
#1432
LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. If there's barely anything to read him from, how can you be sure that he's scum? The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. SuzakuTsubasa said: aa-dono said: Oh nvm. Suzaku replied just above my post. I don't really get what's so scummy about Abu except inactivity. More than just inactivity, he shows up just the minimum to not get replaced, doesn't add anything to the game, doesn't talk to anyone, an then just sheep a vote. Last game I played he did the same and flipped scum, that doesn't mean he's obviously scum, but I don't think we should forget him. The absence of evidence is not always indicative unfortunately, and is actually fallacious logic. Doesn't the way he follows everything you do seem suspicious even a bit? He joins your suicide vote then follows you back on me not even a minute after you did. He seemed to follow you without knowing why, you did it to get a lynch since you thought it was end of day, he followed while knowing it wasn't. It looks like he could follow you on anyone, but he wont tell you his town reads. Scum afraid to give names, in case he gets lynched and flips? That and a post that feels like omgus to me, that's all he did today. Hmmmmmmmmmm... him following me struck me as a joke more than anything, as it was in the context of "this is so dramatic, it has me in tears." If only we could hear from Abu on his reads. That last post doesn't feel like Omgus at all to me and it only signifies you and him are crossvoting each other. Why do you think it's omgus? When he says that I "want to lynch him because he's inactive yet I'm not active myself" when I clearly said more than him in half a day phase. Then he calls Wen for his "baseless vote", calling him because he's going to "be gone the whole phase." He basically calls the two who started voting him saying we're inactives ourselves. It feels like he saw an opportunity so he jumped on me (would have probably jumped on Wen with the same reasons, had Whisp voted him.) That's the feeling I got from his post. |
Aug 3, 2017 5:35 AM
#1433
I gave up. My internet is dead. I won't be posting catch-up. I'm all caught up though. |
Aug 3, 2017 5:36 AM
#1434
Shinichi-Kun said: Shinichi-Kun said: Because that's one of the posts that Lucian seemed to like about you well that and poking at last, but I see them as being NAI. So now you actually wanna lynch Lucian, if you back down now Im almost certain your scum. Do you realize Town can be wrong right lmfao, but if you beat them up over then you literally destroy their moral and their want to catch scum. This is quite possibly the summiest thing you've done all game. Vote: Shinichi You're literally threatening Gwen to push me. Shinichi-Kun said: 8. What's scummy about telling a person to stay true to their conviction? I am not the reason she is scum reading, thats all on you buddy. Your literally scum reading zymf cause of his conviction, i am just being more forceful with gwen since she has been flip floppy. LucianRoy said: 8. What's scummy about telling a person to stay true to their conviction? That's not what you did. Shinichi-kun said: Because that's one of the posts that Lucian seemed to like about you well that and poking at last, but I see them as being NAI. So now you actually wanna lynch Lucian, if you back down now Im almost certain your scum. Do you realize Town can be wrong right lmfao, but if you beat them up over then you literally destroy their moral and their want to catch scum. So if Gwen changes her mind about my slot for any reason, that just means you can immediately move in and read them scum? That's mad scummy, that's basically lining-up reads, and when I flip town, which will happen eventually if scum know what's good for them, you'll realize that you're jumping the gun in your logic here and using said logic to manhandle people to keep their votes on other people is not something townies do. Your literally scum reading zymf cause of his conviction, i am just being more forceful with gwen since she has been flip floppy. I'm reading Zymf as scum for three reasons. He townread Ironace but voted him anyway- flipped town, his read on me is bad, and he's pushing the lynch of someone who will probably flip town because Abu is lowkey pretty towny. @wen294 |
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Aug 3, 2017 5:36 AM
#1435
wen294 said: can confirm, Chad did do that a couple pages back to defend me actually, I think lol.LucianRoy said: Then i must've missed that as i can't remember it at all.wen294 said: Gwendolly said: So because he doesn't share your view you threaten to scumread him? Shinichi pls, don't grind my gears. Just reread the interactions between lucian and LW. Lucian fighting back, LW starting the vote with Suzaku and lucian backing it up. Because the other way around it would have been suspicious. And much more! We both know lynching Suzaku right now is a bad idea. Don't make me add you to my scum list Disgusting. Double standard, Shinichi basically did the same exact thing with Gwen not too long ago. Do you remember what post that was in? Edit: just got up, going to take a shower Edit 2: it was not me it was Zymf lol |
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Aug 3, 2017 5:39 AM
#1436
RE1031 said: Which target specifically though? Abu or Lucian?aa-dono said: @RE1031 how did you come about your Zymf's read? I disapprove of who he's targeting. Strongly disapprove. Like, come on. How do you go from something like #621 to voting ironace. I don't remember the details so definitely going to have read up on how ironace got lynched. And then he has a scum lean on my slot. And there's his defense of Red_Salmon. Can't shake that it sounds like a defense scum makes of town. |
Aug 3, 2017 5:40 AM
#1437
wen294 said: wen294 said: Shinichi-Kun said: AbuHumaid said: @LucianRoy can you first tell me why are you townreading me? i feel like you're trying to get on my good side This prob the best post from abu in a while When you consider the fact that he's sheeping lucian the entire game and even tried to save lucian by voting himself (according to himself) this voice of distrust makes literally no sense at all and i honestly can't even take it seriously. This is one of the more recent reasons that i still remembered the place of. Then there's also the post about co-operation being needed for town and then proceeds to not co-operate. Overall rather hypocritical. Well there's more but i don't remember everything ._. Right, there was this one. I think I kinda forgot this post from abu, even though it goes with what I told Lucian, but you did say how it was hypocritical. The one about cooperation, if we're thinking about the same post, is the one I had in mind when I said "he states something obvious even though he did nothing moments before." It was around a night phase I think. |
Aug 3, 2017 5:42 AM
#1438
SuzakuTsubasa said: I can agree with this. It doesn't feel like he's trying to sort out anyone else. His votes felt very omgus instead of actually seeing either as scum.LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. If there's barely anything to read him from, how can you be sure that he's scum? The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. SuzakuTsubasa said: aa-dono said: Oh nvm. Suzaku replied just above my post. I don't really get what's so scummy about Abu except inactivity. More than just inactivity, he shows up just the minimum to not get replaced, doesn't add anything to the game, doesn't talk to anyone, an then just sheep a vote. Last game I played he did the same and flipped scum, that doesn't mean he's obviously scum, but I don't think we should forget him. The absence of evidence is not always indicative unfortunately, and is actually fallacious logic. Doesn't the way he follows everything you do seem suspicious even a bit? He joins your suicide vote then follows you back on me not even a minute after you did. He seemed to follow you without knowing why, you did it to get a lynch since you thought it was end of day, he followed while knowing it wasn't. It looks like he could follow you on anyone, but he wont tell you his town reads. Scum afraid to give names, in case he gets lynched and flips? That and a post that feels like omgus to me, that's all he did today. Hmmmmmmmmmm... him following me struck me as a joke more than anything, as it was in the context of "this is so dramatic, it has me in tears." If only we could hear from Abu on his reads. That last post doesn't feel like Omgus at all to me and it only signifies you and him are crossvoting each other. Why do you think it's omgus? When he says that I "want to lynch him because he's inactive yet I'm not active myself" when I clearly said more than him in half a day phase. Then he calls Wen for his "baseless vote", calling him because he's going to "be gone the whole phase." He basically calls the two who started voting him saying we're inactives ourselves. It feels like he saw an opportunity so he jumped on me (would have probably jumped on Wen with the same reasons, had Whisp voted him.) That's the feeling I got from his post. |
Aug 3, 2017 5:48 AM
#1439
LucianRoy (3): Shinichi-kun, Gwendolly, Zymf I don't see myself voting for Lucian and Tsubasa this phase.AbuHumaid (4): wen294, SuzakuTsubasa, aa-dono, The_Pyromaani SuzakuTsubasa (3): lastwhisper31, LucianRoy, AbuHumaid Zymf (1): RE1031 The_Pyromaani (1): DenjaX |
Aug 3, 2017 5:50 AM
#1440
@ Tsubasa AbuHumaid said: Vote: SuzakuTsubasa She wants to lynch me because I'm inactive yet she isn't active herself? I smell BS in the air Also @wen294 where are you? Care to explain your baseless vote? You were calling me out for inactivity and now you're gone the whole phase? Isn't that contradiction? Tell me why this post is scummy. |
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Aug 3, 2017 5:55 AM
#1441
wen294 said: lastwhisper31 said: Kinda feels like she said something and then couldn't wait to crawl back on her statement and just took lucian's first post as an excuse to drop charges.wen294 said: Gwendolly said: Can't say i share your view as i'm not seeing it at all.wen294 said: Gwendolly said: ??@lucianroy lucianroy said: For what reasoning are you voting me? Gwendolly said: Lucian has definitely alot to explain now. What did you have in mind? ^For this reason. Since we know ironace and salmon are town now and that you intended to lynch both of them. You were admitting your mistakes but it was more like a "oh well, shit happens." Not too sure if I'm buying that. But salmons death would make more sense to me if they were willing to spite you for that and I like your current proceeding right now. So yea... You're making more sense than Shinichi right now tho. Your single post has satisfied me already lol if you're scum I'll take off my hat for you unvote I don't get your thought process here. Not sure what lucian said in the post you quoted that could've possibly changed your mind. How it looks to me: "Lucian has explaining to do" "Like what?" "yeah nevermind" Makes no sense. I said it would look bad on lucian because he was about to lynch 1 townie and did lynch one the other day. So I was waiting for an explanation. The way he handled that situation was genuine in my eyes, may it be because he's scum and doesnt care or town but wants to stay on track. Town can be mistaken too. If you lynch the leader solely for leading a lynch train on town then you'd probably hit town more often than scum. It's not weird for him to ask what you're voting him for specifically. After all 'you made a mistake so you must be scum' is some pretty fcked up logic. And it's also not something he can defend against. It happened, that's that. I feel like Gwen's reasonings have been lacking, if you know what I mean? Like her early posts seemed so confident, but it feels like shes rushing responses now. Also watching her and denja go off is funny. Which leads me to wonder why she even said it in the first place. She either said it with no conviction or she said it because she thought she needed to say it because she hadn't voiced suspicion on lucian anywhere yet? Gwen + Lucian scumteam possible? Hahahahahahahahahahaha, no? Are you blind? I suspected lucain from D1. I even said I wanted to sacrifice LW back then to get my answers. But no one else seemed to jump on ME when I used the term "sacrifice" apparently only when ironace did. #513 Did scum have other plans for me? My reasons for lucian and LW being scum, is because like I said on D1 LW must have unnecessarily town read him early. Lucian noticed that mistake by attacking him back on that and voting for him to make sure he's not on his side? lucianroy said: One of those examples. There was always a Gwen and I. I didnt like that, as if there was already a team for lucian and Gwen. And that time he was interested in my oppinions and such #282, asking specifically me how I found LWs ISO on abu #can'tfindthatpostnotime, praising my questions #193 and somewhere else on D2. I mean of course this looks like high stage paranoia. But once I think something is fishy I stay with it. No risk no fun. Also if scum had the opportunity to get rid of lucian today, there would have been already cases against him or votes. But why isn't there hardly any? Minus me (I'm town) there are only two others. I mean I feel like none of you has reread D1.#237 But Gwen and I aren't pushing you for either of those two things. 1 hour left. If this continues, there wont be any lynch today either. edit: URL fix |
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Aug 3, 2017 5:55 AM
#1442
LucianRoy said: @ Tsubasa AbuHumaid said: Vote: SuzakuTsubasa She wants to lynch me because I'm inactive yet she isn't active herself? I smell BS in the air Also @wen294 where are you? Care to explain your baseless vote? You were calling me out for inactivity and now you're gone the whole phase? Isn't that contradiction? Tell me why this post is scummy. SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: LucianRoy said: SuzakuTsubasa said: Look at the list of players voting abu, try to find someone who gave actual reads of his posts. There's barely anything to read from him to begin with. If there's barely anything to read him from, how can you be sure that he's scum? The only different reasons given is wen, who is voting him because he annoys him, which is basically guts so it ends up being the same reason, and because of Salmon's last post, which can be a fake lead. That, and I said something else about him here. SuzakuTsubasa said: aa-dono said: Oh nvm. Suzaku replied just above my post. I don't really get what's so scummy about Abu except inactivity. More than just inactivity, he shows up just the minimum to not get replaced, doesn't add anything to the game, doesn't talk to anyone, an then just sheep a vote. Last game I played he did the same and flipped scum, that doesn't mean he's obviously scum, but I don't think we should forget him. The absence of evidence is not always indicative unfortunately, and is actually fallacious logic. Doesn't the way he follows everything you do seem suspicious even a bit? He joins your suicide vote then follows you back on me not even a minute after you did. He seemed to follow you without knowing why, you did it to get a lynch since you thought it was end of day, he followed while knowing it wasn't. It looks like he could follow you on anyone, but he wont tell you his town reads. Scum afraid to give names, in case he gets lynched and flips? That and a post that feels like omgus to me, that's all he did today. Hmmmmmmmmmm... him following me struck me as a joke more than anything, as it was in the context of "this is so dramatic, it has me in tears." If only we could hear from Abu on his reads. That last post doesn't feel like Omgus at all to me and it only signifies you and him are crossvoting each other. Why do you think it's omgus? When he says that I "want to lynch him because he's inactive yet I'm not active myself" when I clearly said more than him in half a day phase. Then he calls Wen for his "baseless vote", calling him because he's going to "be gone the whole phase." He basically calls the two who started voting him saying we're inactives ourselves. It feels like he saw an opportunity so he jumped on me (would have probably jumped on Wen with the same reasons, had Whisp voted him.) That's the feeling I got from his post. |
Aug 3, 2017 6:00 AM
#1443
wen294 said: Gwendolly said: You are crazy.lastwhisper31 said: Gwendolly said: why do you always say that lol?lastwhisper31 said: @zymf My theory is that mafia killed Red_Salmon more because he was a growing threat rather than to cause chaos. Red_Salmon had already been under very high pressure D1, before everyone switched their votes to ironace. So it was actually unlikely that he would get lynched in the near future or gain the same amount of attention, since that would be going in circles. I also noticed that Red_Salmon had been getting more and more agressive in the second half of D1 and his reads were getting clearer. So I think that the mafia decided to kill him off before he became a real threat D2 and could reveal his findings. While someone like Lucian would be a much more risky target (for different reasons such as Doc protection), Red_Salmon was still a relatively safe kill. --- Lets just throw this hypothetical into the garbage for one second, and remember that this is also just another WIFOM post. We would need harder evidence to come to any conclusion. The fact of the matter is she is dead, and we don't really know why? Maybe she did have scum on her list, but then maybe she didnt, or maybe scum killed her to make everyone think scum was on her list, or maybe scum killed her because they were on her list, or maybe scum killed her because they assumed some kind of disarray would come from it, or maybe they killed her because they just did? I feel like your focusing on this to much, just like Ironace did with his hypothetical, and in the end we found out his hypothetical was wrong, so give me a reason why I should believe yours? How the- ..? Did you write this? Edit: If this is serious question, then the bold was Zymf, and my post was the Italics. Sounds like it could come easily from lucian. I mean that's like exactly what lucian would say >.< Like your tone totally changed. That's not the whisper I know from the past few days! I thought you would never know when to use that term "WIFOM", well atleast not literally 2 days later. I swear both you and lucian are scum. I'm going up to 99% the other 1% are the "shit happens" right? I would vote for you, but since lucian has more votes, I'll stay on him. It doesnt really matter who goes down first eh. Lynch me afterwards if one of you are town. There, I can be suicidal too! Town please look at this and tell me I'm not crazy. I mean the whole pocketing me would make sense. Or am I just that strong of a townie? @everyone!!!!!!!!....oh yea forgot this isnt discord.... @aa-dono @RE1031 @SuzakuTsubasa @AbuHumaid @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Shinichi-Kun @Zymf @DenjaX P.S No offense bruh (I know you're a lit person irl). But I'm going all out now. Let's play OW with your brother after this xD People can use a term once they know what it means and how it's used. The term WIFOM has been used enough this game for him to know how to use the term. Also i sincerely don't believe lucian would hand last that entire text over and say "copy paste this in the thread will ya?" Give the man some credit. I am not just talking about the term. Just in general the whole tone. But we will see. edit: Did you read our following discussion? It seems you only want to see what you want to see. |
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Aug 3, 2017 6:01 AM
#1444
Aug 3, 2017 6:03 AM
#1445
wen294 said: Gwendolly said: So because he doesn't share your view you threaten to scumread him? Shinichi pls, don't grind my gears. Just reread the interactions between lucian and LW. Lucian fighting back, LW starting the vote with Suzaku and lucian backing it up. Because the other way around it would have been suspicious. And much more! We both know lynching Suzaku right now is a bad idea. Don't make me add you to my scum list Disgusting. At this point I went up to 99% if you havent noticed. Ofc I would suspect anyone who is willing to defend them two :D With you since you put me and lucian in a team lol and suspect me little, I'd say I suspect you less. |
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Aug 3, 2017 6:10 AM
#1446
Honestly, I feel like me and Pyro are the two with the weakest reason to vote for Abu. And yet those who have been scumreading him is doesn't want to see Abu as a viable lynch this phase. I can understand for those not scumreading him (DenjaX & Lucian) but at this stage it feels like people simply doesn't want to see him lynched. With no actual reason. @Gwendolly I don't think all your points on Lucian is that bad, though I do feel most of them were paranoia. But Lucy's train consist of someone I scumread (Zymf) and a fence/jumpy (whatever word to describe an unconvincing case) vote from Shin. And the votes on Tsubasa consists of a pro-Lucian followers team. |
Aug 3, 2017 6:12 AM
#1447
LucianRoy (3): Shinichi-kun, Gwendolly, Zymf AbuHumaid (5): wen294, SuzakuTsubasa, aa-dono, The_Pyromaani, DenjaX SuzakuTsubasa (3): lastwhisper31, LucianRoy, AbuHumaid Zymf (1): RE1031 Hmmmmmmmmmm... |
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Aug 3, 2017 6:15 AM
#1448
Aug 3, 2017 6:16 AM
#1449
wen294 said: Gwendolly said: Horrible statement V2.RE1031 said: Gwendolly said: I know right. There's no way that @RE1031 could have already been thru with everything at that time when she posted. Which makes me think she got a summary or a quick up-date of the current scenario from her buddies? That or she has a photographic memory. I'm just going to say that this post annoys me beyond belief. Don't accuse people of stuff like that, don't even read into it. But I'll enlighten you. It's so much easier for scum to play catch up for the next two or so day phases than to immediately start accusing people. They can be lazy and get a free pass for it. Now please tell me your scumlean on me is not solely resting on something as baseless as how fast someone can catch up. Did you have any thoughts on the player I replaced? I don't recall reading any, remind me. Hey if you guys can be nitpicky then so will I. I know you even gave us three different timezones to leave room for intepretation. But you were already caught up so fast; I couldnt believe it. I'm too tired to connect those two things together right now. But prove me wrong today then! Demanding the defendant to provide proof of their innocence is only used when you're already assuming the defendant is scum, which in general is never and should never be used (some rare exeptions excluded). You gave no real indication that you thought he was scum before this stupid reasoning. And in general just because you can't say it's not true doesn't make it the truth. That's common knowledge. Aside from the fact that we all catch up at different speeds and methods, and that he might have started backreading before he was actually swapped in. Or like he himself said already that scum has a free excuse of not having a big presence which they usually gladly take. Etc. I'm willing to gather every single detail. At this point all of you could be scum, so no one should be left alone. I want solid explainations to make me feel at ease okay!? What's so wrong with that. I could also say that was a scum slip. By already acting as if they were scum entering this game. But I won't even go there. |
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Aug 3, 2017 6:18 AM
#1450
aa-dono said: RE1031 said: Which target specifically though? Abu or Lucian?aa-dono said: @RE1031 how did you come about your Zymf's read? I disapprove of who he's targeting. Strongly disapprove. Like, come on. How do you go from something like #621 to voting ironace. I don't remember the details so definitely going to have read up on how ironace got lynched. And then he has a scum lean on my slot. And there's his defense of Red_Salmon. Can't shake that it sounds like a defense scum makes of town. Mainly my slot. Scum tend to go after that kind of player. And this isn't like OMGUS or anything - there's a pretty distinct style the newbies have which makes easy targets. Lucian to a lesser extent, felt the reasoning was weak and all began when he stated somewhere (forgot where...) that people tend to townread the more active players whereas he is more suspicious of them. |
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